As i had some too many experiences with that yesterday, i would like to bring this reminder up (again?).
It is not funny, when you get taken out repeatedly directly after spawn, it is not funny when you cannot get into a plane or tank because everything you could use as transportation is directly bombed away by planes or tanks lurking out of sight as soon as you enter it.
I am not talking about the raped base being the last and only one left for the massacred team, as this also happened regularly with still another base left.
It is more like some unpoliteness -or maybe disrespect is the word- getting to me, maybe because the bots i had to fight due to playerbuster the last half year were a bit more nice than real players.
I do not know about other players feelings but if i endure too much of that, playing becomes unloved work (work because i still try to have at least enough self discipline not to quit/leave my team in the round concerned, but it is then something i feel i "must" do instead of something i "want" to do). I really love BF42 whith well balanced teams, even when my team looses, but i detest players just spawnraping, not caring about everyones fun just to get the most points.
As said, i would just like to remind as i am aware that there´s practically no "real solution" to that.
Just a plea to give the already defeated enemies at least a chance to make a counter attack instead of hammering everything constantly.
Sadly, there´s no method to ensure every team is good enough to get out of such a situation(if a solution to that existed that is), so it is up to the victors to think about what kind of victory they want and what kind of game they want to play.
Baserape and other niceties.
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make sure u have some jiffers like hutchie, boo, mini, me or so,e other on ur team and ull be sure to get out of such a situation
i don't really understand whats ur problem. if the enemy is raping ur main base thats is not a cap and u stil have another flag then its fine spawn at the flag let them bomb some empty planes and tanks at ur main and get the rest of the flags: thats what boo, and i always do. spwan at the flag and get all the flags and by the time the enemy sees u caped all the flags ull have a plane and ull be able to shoot all of them down
and for the base rape without any flags left, yeah that sucks but just take it the only thing i hate are players on my team switching to the enemys cause they are jsut a bunch of noobs and they don tknow how to get out of that situation
i don't really understand whats ur problem. if the enemy is raping ur main base thats is not a cap and u stil have another flag then its fine spawn at the flag let them bomb some empty planes and tanks at ur main and get the rest of the flags: thats what boo, and i always do. spwan at the flag and get all the flags and by the time the enemy sees u caped all the flags ull have a plane and ull be able to shoot all of them down
and for the base rape without any flags left, yeah that sucks but just take it the only thing i hate are players on my team switching to the enemys cause they are jsut a bunch of noobs and they don tknow how to get out of that situation
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Base raping is fun. ...when your a noob.
I have gotten shot down over an non-cap base and had no choice but to blast around with a tank try into get the heck out.
It happen a few night back while playing El Al.
Man, I ran up a good score quick. lol
I'm sure COWBOY & War Trophy thought I was being a jerk, but all I wanted was to steal a plane and get the heck out of Dodge.
But the life expectancy of a base raper is usually pretty short.
While on the subject, is sneaking around the non-cap base as an engineer and laying mines on jeeps/tanks considered base camping?
Wouldn't that be considered sabotage?
And what about sniping a non-cap base?
I have gotten shot down over an non-cap base and had no choice but to blast around with a tank try into get the heck out.
It happen a few night back while playing El Al.
Man, I ran up a good score quick. lol
I'm sure COWBOY & War Trophy thought I was being a jerk, but all I wanted was to steal a plane and get the heck out of Dodge.
But the life expectancy of a base raper is usually pretty short.
While on the subject, is sneaking around the non-cap base as an engineer and laying mines on jeeps/tanks considered base camping?
Wouldn't that be considered sabotage?
And what about sniping a non-cap base?
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sniping a non cap base is just useless and as i said in the TS topic boo radley and i love to talk about the position of a useless sniper on TS while enemy is listening.
for the engenier thats alright i love watching all the tanks blow up when they start moving
for the engenier thats alright i love watching all the tanks blow up when they start moving
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Since i only switch teams in case of imbalance that is not my choice and quite offtopic as it seems to me. Would i act like that, and would every player act like that, who would stay in a team not containing the players mentioned?[JiF]FrenchAfroman wrote:make sure u have some jiffers like hutchie, boo, mini, me or so,e other on ur team and ull be sure to get out of such a situation
Maybe you could understand if you would read what i wrote. On every empty/respawning vehicle, the enemy team waited until it disappeared from radar and then bombed it. That in addition to spawnraping. I would like to know what anyone can do with half a second lifespan. Running on bigger maps for some minutes with heavily degrading tickets is not so efficient as it seems to me, and not too different from a situation where only the last man standing desperately tries to cap a flag for all dead teammates. And gets shot.[JiF]FrenchAfroman wrote: i don't really understand whats ur problem. if the enemy is raping ur main base thats is not a cap and u stil have another flag then its fine spawn at the flag let them bomb some empty planes and tanks at ur main and get the rest of the flags: thats what boo, and i always do. spwan at the flag and get all the flags and by the time the enemy sees u caped all the flags ull have a plane and ull be able to shoot all of them down
First of all, i did not want to start that same foul smelling discussion again, i just wanted to remind what in my opinion got wrong and why. You are one of the better players, as i do well know, and what i am reading and understanding as a heavy flavour of arrogance here might be considered deserved by your skills by others. But then i would say, with that attitude and with what you wrote here, that is not my kind of "fun", although it gives me a sad way of understanding why you cannot understand what i tried to talk about.[JiF]FrenchAfroman wrote: and for the base rape without any flags left, yeah that sucks but just take it the only thing i hate are players on my team switching to the enemys cause they are jsut a bunch of noobs and they don tknow how to get out of that situation
Not my choice what to do or if to do anything about it, as i do know, but then again, never complain about too few players when the server is not different from others.
The baseraping got stupid, the spawnraping got stupid and that is something that happened several maps in a row, all game long.
/heavy sarcasm start
So if the majority of the good players and all JiF in general (what i definitely do not believe)considers this to be the deserved fate for all players unable to comply to "server standards", no worries, just be so honest as to write that in the welcome message.
Simple replace the phrase "if it gets stupid, back off..." with "if you ar so dumb to get spawn and baseraped, take whats coming."
(Sorry if all that sounds too hard but since english is not my native language i might overdo without knowing it. Please consider any verbal incompetence by my side as an effect of how important this is to me.)
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Re: Baserape and other niceties.
It sounds like the base camping was getting out of hand (and don't use base raping, there are more appropriate words for it). If it's to the point that you want to sign off, then it is too much and say something in chat. Hopefully an admin is on and they will help get things under control.
All other times, it is typically the old adage, "if you don't like base campers, defend your base!"
All other times, it is typically the old adage, "if you don't like base campers, defend your base!"
You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
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i think u missunderstood what i was saying i did not want to say that i was better then others or anything i just play allot thats it and by mentioning boo hutchie or evilhoosier i just wanted to throw in names of players that i think are better then me and that i know are good to sneak out of a base rape and get a flag behind the enemies(about myself i might get allot of kills but look at my stats i m allmost always the guy with the most death cause i just runn into the enemy even when i get base raped i just keep on spawning and try to kill a guy or get a shoot at a tank)
and just for the record i always switch to the team with the less humans cause there is no fame in getting schores by killing bots. i cant even count the times i played on the team woth 5 humans and bots against 14 humans.
i hope ull see me in an other light with that said and Jiff is all about fun even if u get base raped.
(i know its anoying to have a plane or such bombing u as soon as u get in a tank but then just learn how to handel a zooka like mini and ull get them planes down )
and just for the record i always switch to the team with the less humans cause there is no fame in getting schores by killing bots. i cant even count the times i played on the team woth 5 humans and bots against 14 humans.
i hope ull see me in an other light with that said and Jiff is all about fun even if u get base raped.
(i know its anoying to have a plane or such bombing u as soon as u get in a tank but then just learn how to handel a zooka like mini and ull get them planes down )
If we make prisons a living hell for them, then we might just be sending out devils once they are released. Cruel methods to achieve discipline are a thing of the past! So, keep on dancing! Byron F. Garcia.
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I did not want to start a big discussion as theres already too much going off topic and off what i wanted to say.
I used baserape instead of basecamp because it was a simple distant hammering of snipers,artillery, tanks and planes, not some guys playing hide and zook or mining vehicles.
So to speak i do see a bad difference between players at least "courageous" enough to get onto enemy in direct combat and others just shooting spawns, vehicles and enemies from far away. With the first, the sentence of "defend your base" applies , with the latter, all you can do is "desert" by changing team or server. Normally i do not cry for admin mama and in addition, that time nobody was there anyway.
And as i tried to say, i was unable to do anything because of constantly being hit in the second of respawn. Sadly there are players abusing their knowledge of spawn point coordinates to make sure nobody gets out alive.
All that may happen once or maybe twice and i agree then one should be able to go through that , but several games in a row, that´s quite bad in my opinion and there such things should have to end. It´s a technical fact that players with faster computers get in map significantly faster than those with less powerful equipment, so in the worst case, when you enter you already have lost. Don´t know about how many remember those mapvoters who got in so fast they left all others behind so the rotation was reduced to always the same map voted for by the fastest players.
Something went bad, it had to be mentioned. Thats all, i believe.
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To french afroman: i do not think i insulted you of being superior. I just tried to clarify that some attitude, as understood by me due to your text, seems to be arrogant to those being killed by the mentioned ways in game and what would happen if every player followed your suggestion to stick to the best ones.
Oder klar auf Deutsch: Als Betroffener kann einem die Haltung" dann wehr Dich halt" gerade von besseren Spielern (die zudem nicht mal dabei waren) her verdammt arrogant vorkommen. So sollte es rüberkommen und nicht anders.
I used baserape instead of basecamp because it was a simple distant hammering of snipers,artillery, tanks and planes, not some guys playing hide and zook or mining vehicles.
So to speak i do see a bad difference between players at least "courageous" enough to get onto enemy in direct combat and others just shooting spawns, vehicles and enemies from far away. With the first, the sentence of "defend your base" applies , with the latter, all you can do is "desert" by changing team or server. Normally i do not cry for admin mama and in addition, that time nobody was there anyway.
And as i tried to say, i was unable to do anything because of constantly being hit in the second of respawn. Sadly there are players abusing their knowledge of spawn point coordinates to make sure nobody gets out alive.
All that may happen once or maybe twice and i agree then one should be able to go through that , but several games in a row, that´s quite bad in my opinion and there such things should have to end. It´s a technical fact that players with faster computers get in map significantly faster than those with less powerful equipment, so in the worst case, when you enter you already have lost. Don´t know about how many remember those mapvoters who got in so fast they left all others behind so the rotation was reduced to always the same map voted for by the fastest players.
Something went bad, it had to be mentioned. Thats all, i believe.
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To french afroman: i do not think i insulted you of being superior. I just tried to clarify that some attitude, as understood by me due to your text, seems to be arrogant to those being killed by the mentioned ways in game and what would happen if every player followed your suggestion to stick to the best ones.
Oder klar auf Deutsch: Als Betroffener kann einem die Haltung" dann wehr Dich halt" gerade von besseren Spielern (die zudem nicht mal dabei waren) her verdammt arrogant vorkommen. So sollte es rüberkommen und nicht anders.
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Shalgar: Thanks for bringing up that topic. I also have the impression that the base raping habit is getting a little out of hand lately. The last time I've been playing I had to leave after just two or three maps, otherwise I would have exploded with anger: Getting base raped is not overly funny to begin with, but getting base raped while being clearly outnumbered for several maps in a row and even seeing some JiF members enjoying to take part in the rapes, really was enough to ruin my previously good mood in no time...
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Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini